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For Todd: re Mohammed The Prophet to Castile
15 Oct 2006 14:00:11 -0700
soc.genealogy.medieval
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dav4is...
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Todd, in Dec 2000 you made the statement:
There are no provable descents of any Castillian kings from Mohammed,
most such claims being more the result of wishful thinking than of
solid genealogical evidence.
Are you still of that opinion? Has no new evidence come to light?
taf...
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Still of the opinion. No new evidence.
Doug McDonald...
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What about your opinion the possible descents of (living)
British royalty from Mohammed? (i.e. Doria's thing)
taf...
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Well, Doria's 'thing' really needs to be considered as 'things', as he
has proposed several connections, and they each need to be evaluated
individually. One of them relies on taking a pedigree found in a
romantic source and at one point in the pedigree substituting the
father given by the tradition (Ramiro II) with the authentic father
(Lovesendo), while retaining the supposed mistress of Ramiro as the
wife of Lovesendo and mother of his children. This certainly cannot
serve as the basis for any kind of 'proven' descent, as there is no
direct evidence that allows Lovesendo's wife to be identified. More
recently, he has identified several generations of ancestors for
Lovesendo, but if I recall correctly, much of this work is based simply
on indentifying individuals by given name (for the sake of
illustration, if the father of Bill was named Fred, and here we have
someone named Fred, then we will hypothesize that he is the same as
Bill's father). Again, one can debate the merits of the individual
identifications, but in the cases where there is nothing but name and
loose chronology in support, this likewise falls short of proof. Even
were proof to be found of these specific relationships, that only opens
up a second can of worms with regard to how valid the pedigrees from
that point back to Muhammad are (e.g. even were we to come up with a
solid pedigree to the Banu Qasi, the link of the Banu Qasi to the
Cordoba Caliphate are nothing but speculation, and the pedigree of the
Cordoba Caliphate back to Muhammad is suspect).
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Doug McDonald
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tia
-R.
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