Re: Accord between John of Lancaster and Philippe of Burgundy dated 1423

Dear Douglas, Will and others,
Arthur, Duke of Turrene (later
Arthur III, Duke of Brittany) was in fact a (step)brother to Duke John of
Bedford. His parents were John V de Montfort, Duke of Brittany and Joan of Navarre
who became Henry IV, King of England`s 2nd wife
Philip IV, King of France married Joan I, Queen of Navarre
Louis X, King of France and Navarre married Margaret, daughter of Duke
Robert II of Burgundy
Joan II, Queen of Navarre married Philip, Count of Evereux and jure uxoris
King of Navarre, son of Count Louis of Evereux by Margaret, daughter of
Philip, Count of Artois and Blanche of Brittany. Louis, Count of Evereux was a son
of King Philippe III of France by his 2nd wife Marie of Brabant
Charles I, King of Navarre married Joan, daughter of King John II of France
by Bonne of Bohemia
Joan of Navarre married 1st John V, Duke of Brittany and 2nd Henry IV, King
of England

mjcar...

Sorry to labour this point, Douglas - but why do you suppose that logic

mjcar...

I think we can be pretty certain that this was the case - after all,
the whole purpose of the accord as quoted was based upon the "maryagys
concludyd, acordyd, and conservyde by-twyxte" John and Arthur and the
sisters of Philip.

However, I note that the accord is not by two parties (John and Philip)
but by *three*: John, Philip and "the Duke of Bretayne" - i.e. John V,
brother of Arthur, Duke of Tourraine. I would therefore propose that
we can explain the reference to Arthur as "brother" much more neatly as
describing the relationship between him and one of the *three*
speakers, the Duke of Brittany.

Any views?

Regards, Michael

does not extend to "Duke John", who you state calls the sister of his
contracted spouse his "cousin" rather than his "sister"? I would find
your hypothesis more credible if it were consistent, or if this
apparent inconsistency could be explained.

Regards, Michael

Arthur III, Duke of Brittany was thus step brother to John, Duke of Bedford
and also 1st cousin once removed to Duke Philippe of Burgundy and his own wife
Margaret of Burgundy
Sincerely ,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA

note: Count Philip of Evereux, King of Navarre(above) was the brother of
Marie of Evereux, wife of Duke John III of Brabant
(Sources: Some of the Emperor Charlemagne`s Descendants Volume I by M von
Redlich,
MacLagan and Louda Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe Tables on Navarre
(44) and France (64 and 65), Genealogics.org