Re: Tempest and Hudleston

In a message dated 6/17/06 12:09:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

<< Not sure I follow the logic here. Burke's says that this Sir John
Tempest (the elder) married a daughter of Robert Holand - this would
appear to make him Margaret Holand's brother-in-law rather than
father-in-law. >>

I'm following the line that John Tempest b 24 Aug 1283 had a son John who dvp
and it was this latter John who married Margaret Holland dau of Robert
Holland.

mjcar...

Ah, I think there are two different Margaret Holands.

The first married twice, and by her second husband (Adam Banastre) was
mother of Katherine Harington nee Banastre; by her first marriage (to
John Blackburn) she was maternal grandmother of Katherine Sherburne,
who is alleged to have married a Tempest.

The second (who is elsewhere variously described Joan, Mary or unnamed)
presents more of a problem, as she seems to be relatively undocumented.
There were some posts here a couple of years ago about this problem,
which remained unresolved; HoP does seem less tentative about her
marriage to the younger John Tempest, but I am not sure what sources
were relied on for this; this also leaves the question of how factual
the alleged Sherburn-Tempest marriage is, and where it fits in.

This last couple John Tempest and Margaret Holland, then also had a son John
who had a son Robert d 1427/8

mjcar...

Part of the problem here is "which Robert Holand"? Do you have a
reference source for your comments? All I have seen is Burke's which
is (as usual) flawed and unreliable.

mjcar...

Do you mean "Richard" rather than Robert - i.e. Sir Richard Tempest of
Bracewell?

Thus the generations are 20 to 30 years apart which makes a lot more sense to
me.

mjcar...

Except that the elder Sir John was born in 1283, and his apparent
grandson Sir Richard (d 1427/8) is said by HoP to have been born circa
1356 - that would allow enough room for at least one more generation -
ie for Sir Richard to be the elder Sir John's great grandson.