Corrected St. John ancestry

Several years ago the early ancestry of the St John family was
discussed in a post that can be found in the archives of SGM, but for
most of the information no sources were cited. The posts mentioned an

mvernonconnolly...

seems to be the one; thanks for posting the information.

Alexander St. John of Instow (Devon), who was living in 1340.

mvernonconnolly...

One possible addition: HoP says that the mother of Sir Oliver (d.1374)
was a daughter of Sir John III Arundell by his (1) wife, Elizabeth
Carminow. Oliver's father is not named.

In case anyone is still looking for sources for this information, it
now appears that key parts of this information were drawn from the
following document, catalogued in PROCAT:

'C 143/248/17: Alexander de Sancto Johanne and Elizabeth his wife and
Oliver de Sancto Johanne and Elizabeth his wife to settle the manors of
East Luccombe (Somers.) and Stockleigh Luccombe [in Cheriton Fitzpaine]
co. Devon, with the advowsons of the churches of Luccombe and
Selworthy, on the said Alexander and Elizabeth his wife for their
lives, with remainder to the said Oliver and Elizabeth his wife and the
heirs of their bodies, remainder to John son of the said Alexander and
the heirs of his body, remainder to Theobald brother of John and the
heirs of his body, remainder to Henry brother of Theobald and the heirs
of his body, remainder to the right heirs of the said John, retaining
land in Instow. 13 EDWARD III.'

That 1998 posting also identified the wife of Oliver St John as
Elizabeth de Luccombe, daughter of a Hugh de Luccombe. Some chancery
suits conform that the manor of East Luccombe did remain in the hands
of the St Johns:

C 44/10/13 Parties: Rex v Seynt Johan Subject: Manor of East Luccombe
(annexed are a writ and return super causa capcionis and an extract
from the Red Book of the Exchequer) County: Som 4 Ric II

C 44/12/1 Parties: Rex v St John Subject: Manor of East Luccombe
County: Som 7 Ric II

C 44/13/5 Parties: St John v Earl of Nottingham Subject: Manor of East
Luccombe & advowsons of East Luccombe & Syllyworthy County: Som 8 Ric
II

An extra bit of data about this Luccombe family can now be found
through web-search Book Search. From the 'Nomina Villarum' of Somerset, 16
Edward III - P. 36:

'Hund: de Caringtone (Carhampton)

Loccome. Item Hugo de Loccome tenet iiij. feodum de Henrico de Pinkeny,
et idem Henricus de Rege, set non fit mentio per quod servicium, &c.'

The St John/Luccombe connection is also mentioned in passing in 'The
Registers of Walter Giffard, Bishop of Bath and Wells, 1265-1266, and
of Henry Bowett, Bishop of Bath and Wells, 1401-1407', at the end under
'Notes on Bowet's Register' (P. 93):

'108. For the St. John's of Luccombe, cf. Collinson, ii.,23. Elizabeth
de Luccombe married Oliver de St. John, the father of Henry, and
brought this manor with her.'

Corrected St. John ancestry - Sources