Re: C.P. Addition: Parentage of Alice Beauchamp, wife of Thomas le Boteler, L...

In a message dated 11/21/05 5:34:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

<< You're quite wrong about Alice Beauchamp not being the mother of Ralph
le Boteler. Complete Peerage shows that Ralph le Boteler's parents,
Thomas and Alice, were married on or before 18 July 1385 [Reference:
C.P. 12 Pt. 1 (1953): 418]. >>

Are you quite sure that it says this? Here is my note on this: "The Complete

Douglas Richardson...

Yes, Complete Peerage states that Thomas le Boteler and his wife,
Alice, were married on or before 18 July 1385.

Here is my note on this: "The Complete

Peerage account of Sudeley (vol. 12, part 1, p. 418, note k) notes that
Thomas Boteler (d. 1398) was said to have married a daughter of Sir John Beauchamp
of Powick, but points out that in 1440 Thomas's son and eventual successor
Ralph is described as the uncle of Elizabeth Beauchamp, daughter of Sir William
Beauchamp, Sir John's son and heir. (The description is actually quoted from
the will of Henry V, in 1421.)"

That's quite a difference from what you stated.

Douglas Richardson...

Complete Peerage cites the Patent Roll item I mentioned in my post, not
the will of King Henry V, as the record in which Ralph le Boteler is
called the uncle of Elizabeth Beauchamp.

Chris Phillips...

I posted an extract from the calendar of patent rolls (which cites the will
of Henry V) in June 2005:

Chris Phillips

Will

Douglas Richardson...

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah