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Re: William Whittington - Remfrey Arundell
Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:17:36 +0000 (UTC)
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WJhonson...
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<< AR/17/74, Creation date: [1454?, Sep] (... before Nativity of Blessed
Virgin Mary, 33 [Hen VI])
Depositions of witnesses in law-suit, Arundell vs Arundell: John Arundell
senior vs Remfrey Arundell, [esquire]; concerning the manors of Lanhern and
Seynt Columbe; mention that John Arundell knight, father of Remfrey Arundell
knight, gave..., and that people became tenants of Sir Remfrey. ... Mention of
Remfrey's homage done at Chudelegh to '...nd Bisshopp of Exeter that now ys' [=
Edmund Lacy, bishop from 1420 until his death 18th Sep 1455]. Endorsed [16th
century?] 'Remfry Arundl.', [17th century?] 'Sir John Arundell of Lanhern.'
Note: This probably goes with the dispute recorded in AR/17/75-77, though
those are all dated 1456; Sir John Arundell gave the manors of Lanherne and St
Columb to his son Remfrey [= later Sir Remfrey, father of Remfrey Arundell
esquire] on 29th Jul 1429, AR/20/19. >>
The first person mentioned is "John Arundell senior" who is living at the
time this document is drawn-up obviously since he is one of the parties. John
Arundell the father of Renfrey died 7 Jan 1434/5, so can we not say that the
John who is a party in this suit is John the son of the John who gave the manors?
I do not have a death date for this later John but I show he married
Margaret Burghersh and had a son John "abt 1421" (www.thepeerage.com) and in that
case would then be called John Senior I suppose.
mvernonconnolly...
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Hi Will, it's confusing because they are all called John, but the John
senior here would be the one born 1421; Sir John died 1434/5 as you
say, but his son John of Bideford dvp. I have the dates c.1392-1423 for
him; he should be in HoP. His son John I have 1421-1471/3, so he would
be the head of the family in 1454; he was nephew to Sir Renfrey.
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The above-document would then add the knowledge that he 1) survived his wife
Maud and 2) was still living in 1456
mvernonconnolly...
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see above for 2); for 1) did you mean Margaret? -Matthew
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Comments appreciated.
Will Johnson
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