Nearly 90% of Europeans think humans cause global warming...

That's a headline at drudgereport. I assume the Europeans don't have
any Big Business sponsored talk radio hosts who blame the problem on
nature.

California Poppy...

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It is enthnocentrism carried to an extreme to assume that humans are
responsible for weather. However, if the Europeans want to beat their

Florida...

Perhaps you haven't researched the changes we have made to the earth
enough. The climate of North Africa is not what it was 2,000+ years
ago, because the activities of mankind made much of it into a desert;

jimstevens...

Nor is it the same on Mars and their polar caps are melting. Or
Jupiter!

Mars Ski Report: Snow is Hard, Dense and Disappearing
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 02:00 pm ET
06 December 2001

Mars would make a lousy host for the Winter Olympics. Yes, there's the
lack of air to consider. But more important, Martian snow turns out to
be rock hard. Worse, it is melting away at an alarming rate.

In fact, Mars may be in the midst of a period of profound climate
change, according to a new study that shows dramatic year-to-year
losses of snow at the south pole.

Planetary Geology
Climate Change on Mars

Data gathered by NASA’s Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft suggest that
the martian climate may have changed significantly in the past, and
may be changing quickly even now. According to two papers published in
the Dec. 7, 2001, issue of Science, these changes may happen over a
much shorter time scale than scientists previously thought.

New Storm on Jupiter Hints at Climate Change
By Sara Goudarzi
Staff Writer
posted: 04 May 2006
01:00 pm ET

A storm is brewing half a billion miles away and in a rare event,
astronomers get to watch it closely.

Jupiter is growing a new red spot and the Hubble Space Telescope is
photographing the scene. Backyard astronomers have been following the
action, too.

"Red Spot Jr." as it is being called, formed after three white
oval-shaped storms—two of which were at least 90 years old—merged
between 1998 and 2000.

A similar merger took place centuries ago and formed the bigger and
legendary Great Red Spot, a storm twice as big as Earth and almost 300
years old.

Close look

Close inspections of Red Spot Jr., in Hubble images released today,
reveal that similar to the Great Red Spot, the more recently developed
storm rises above the top of the main cloud deck on Jupiter.
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Little is known about how storms form on the giant planet. They are
often described as behaving similar to hurricanes on Earth. Some
astronomers believe that the spots dredge up material deep below
Jupiter's clouds and lift it to where the Sun's ultraviolet light
chemically alters it to give it a red hue.

The latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst
of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10
degrees Fahrenheit on different parts of the globe.

It is important to consider how we affect our home planet Elaine. And
it is important we work to be cleaner with our air, water, and all out
other resources. But, I am becoming much less convinced that we
humans are making such an impact and begin to listen to the science
that says the Solar System is changing and is seen on other planets.
We humans here on this rock can't affect weather on Mars and Jupiter.
Can we???

Hysteria is not helpful.

Your reponse after reading the items referred and your research?

, because the activities of mankind made much of it into a desert;

the rivers of China became increasingly difficult to control as China's
population deforested the whole region; the huge plains of the U.S.
were converted from stable grassland with some forestation to dust, in
less than a century. Etc.

California Poppy...

It is probable that there is global warming. What causes it is
something else again. Because other planets are affected, it is
probably primarily caused by solar changes. I will not deny that
humans have had deleterious effects on parts of the planet. As there
are more humans, this will continue to be an increasing problem. I
also agree that we need to stop using fossil fuels and change to ones
that are less damaging to our atmosphere. As I understand the
scientific evidence that is arising, earth has been in a period of calm
weather and that it is changing now to a period of more violent
weather. The thing that would help most is fewer people on the planet
earth, but that doesn't seem to be going to happen.

If we look at the activities of individuals it may not look as if
any of us has much effect, but just for one example, when you find out
stunning bits of information like the fact that humankind makes
*millions* of flights per year, crossing and criss-crossing thru the
atmosphere, depositing combustion products and displacing dust and
water vapor, etc., the idea is more persuasive. At least to me.

chests and drive ethanol powered cars, good for them.

Florida...

IME they don't beat their chests about prudent use of their
resources because they don't feel entitled to overuse resources or
environment, possibly because they've learned from bitter experience.
From what we saw, modern Europeans simply adapt to changing
conditions. They've certainly learned to live more carefully than we
do, so they have all our luxuries and they do enjoy them, but they're
not wasteful at all.
It was heartening to see they have learned to share (or perhaps
always did). During the heating-gas supply problem in the Ukraine last
winter, sound trucks drove around many Italian towns and cities
politely asking people to turn down their heat because we all needed to
share with the Ukraine during their terrible cold snap. After asking
the landlord what on earth the nice man had said, we did turn down the
heat to 55F at night and 60F during the day until the dispute was
resolved. It was a very Christian experience.

Rumpelstiltskin...

Well, there we have both sides of the debate. Heaven help us.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom: it is the
argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves" -- Wm. Pitt the Younger