House Members Look to Ban Bilingual Ballots

House Members Look to Ban Bilingual Ballots

Jerry Okamura...

yes

Jerry Okamura...

Well, the simple fact is they do.

jimstevens...

We do not agree then. Requiring school teachers to accommodate 35
languages in a school is unrealistic! The costs are too high and
wrong.

Requiring ballots in other languages is wrong. and I could go on. We
are in sharp disagreement.

jimstevens...

Jerry Okamura...

Of those are legal residents of the country. The purpose of school is to
educate the children who attend the school. If the child cannot speak
english, for whatever the reason, then by definition, they cannot get
educated, if you do not help them to make the transition. If they do not
get educated, they are more likely going to be dependent on the State. So,
when you say the cost is too high, my answer is you are going to pay for it
now or later.

You copped out here. Did not answer the question as presented.

Jerry Okamura...

Okay, I certainly did that. The answer is, a person who wants to become a
citizen of the United States should be fluent in English and also be able to
read English, and understand what they just read (it should also be a
requirement for a US citizen to be fluent in English...come to Hawaii, and
you will see what I mean), to be able to read English and underderstand what
they just read. But as I said, the federal government does not set that as

El Castor...

Huh? No one is being punished if the ballot is in English any more
than you are punishing Mexicans or Bolivians by posting to this group
in English. There is an excellent reason why English should be the
official language of the United States, and far from punishing anyone,
the status of English as our official language benefits all citizens
irrespective of what language they speak.

"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of what he was never reasoned into."

Jerry Okamura...

Oh course you are punishing them. If you print the ballot in Engish and
they cannot read english, then by definition they cannot exercize the right
to vote. I am all for making it possible for everyone who has the right to
vote to vote. I don't like the idea that a blind person cannot keep their
choices secret simply because today they cannot cast their vote without the
assistance of someone else. I don't like the idea that we make it very
difficult of some who are handicapped to exercize their right to vote. Is
it criminal to not accomodate those who are elderly who don't have the means
to get to the polling places to cast their vote. It also applies to anyone
who can speak english and is blind. If you do not provide them with the
means to cast their vote, you have prevented them for exercizing their
constittutional right to vote.

Jonathan Swift

Jerry Okamura...

As for this phrase that you like add to the end of your messages, I resent
the message itself. It implies you think your opinions are all reasonable,
and those who disagree with you are not...

Rumpelstiltskin...

Make special provision for those who can't or don't learn
English, but don't make provision for those who can't or don't
get enough out of school to get good jobs? Where's the
sense in that?

Alvin Toda...

Yes. Too many fall through the cracks in our educational system. Hence
the No Child Left Behind Act...

But also we have technical obselesence or offshoring of jobs. We need
programs here for life long learning. Continuing education is a joke
in this country. Few of the unemployed can afford expensive
re-training.

Jerry Okamura...

Well, yes. Logic tells you the time to get the training you need to work,
is when you are working and making the money to be able to afford to get the
training, not when you are out of work, when you need the money for other
reasons.

Alvin Toda...

Especially for professionals like engineers, the company pays the tab.
But most workers have got to do that on their own. Problem is that
they wouldn't know what to study in good times. Bad times they know
for sure.....

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom: it is the
argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves" -- Wm. Pitt the Younger

a requirement, so to say that they should, is kind of meaningless, because I

Jerry Okamura...

Every citizen in this country has a right to vote. Every citizen in this
country does not have a "right" to have a good job.

Rumpelstiltskin...

That has no connection with what I wrote.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom: it is the
argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves" -- Wm. Pitt the Younger

am not aware of anyone in government that is in a postion to make that

El Castor...

Glad you don't like my sig, Jerry. Perhaps it hits a little close to
the mark? I'll be sure never to change it.

"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of what he was never reasoned into."
Jonathan Swift

Rumpelstiltskin...

Reason, like Titanium, is very useful when you can find it,
but most things in the world don't have much Titanium in them.

People like to pick out any sparkly stuff and say it's Titanium.

Even if they find some real Titanium, they're compelled by their
personal needs to blend it with so much of their favourite fake
sparkly stuff, before they feel comfortable showing it to others,
that it becomes merely misleading to say it's still Titanium.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom: it is the
argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves" -- Wm. Pitt the Younger

change, asking for that change.

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