Leave them KIds Alone.

I find the fact that this is happening, disturbing.

First I heard about it was in an article in this week's Micro Mart.

Jeff Gaines...

It's the future. It will be taken for granted in 50/100 years when we all
have RFID devices installed at birth.
Read any science fiction book, they all assume that we will be
identifiable electronically in the future.

pandamonium...

I heard it was going on but wasn't sure how widespread. It's called
conditioning. They take the youngest citizens and make it seem fun. Years
later there's a whole generation who think it's entirely normal for their
fingerprints to be used for identification purposes.

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

Big Brother is here and growing by the hour :((

Tickettyboo...

Well, there was an item on the BBC about it - in July 2002 !

every class she has each day ( senior school), she is of the opinion that
they should barcode the little bu**ers, on the forehead and they can be
bleeped in and out of the clasroom door,just like the checkout at Tescos!>

Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...

We used to do that for registration and every lesson throughout the day,
before I retiired back in 1994. Then after the last lesson of the day, all
pupills returned to their form rooms and the register taken again before
final bell and going home. Truanting at our school even that many years ago
was made difficult. It was standard practice at that school from 1979 when
it was fist opened.l

Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...

What a sheltered upbringing you must have had then. :)

Rabbit...

Bus shelters ??? :-)

Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...

Well not in your case - rumour has it you got someone to pick you up,
instead of bussing it. :)

Rabbit...

I've not heard that rumour but I hope it was George Clooney. On second
thoughts no I don't 'cos I wouldn't like to have forgotten that good deed

Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...

A very close relative I heard tell - but not of George Clooney. :)

Rabbit...

Still forgotten it :-( OTOH I have picked people up at bus stops to save
them travelling by bus ;-)

:-)

Bri....

Didn't the odd board cleaner come flying your way? It would bounce off
the back wall, it always woke us up though ;-)

Rabbit...

Ah that was my history teacher :-)

Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...

Goodnes, so you had Mr Etchells teaching you English as well. :)

Bri....

I think we all had a Mr Etchells FN, ours was Mr Brown though - he was
handy with a slipper too :-(

Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...

That was Mr Mawe our PE teacher :)

Bri....

That's quite apt, Mr Brown doubled as a PE teacher ;-)

Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...

So both had access to an almost infinite supply of slippers. :)

Bri....

Did you ever notice that they were all three times bigger than the
largest size available?

Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...

The smaller ones were worse 'cos the didn't spread the force of the impact
over a large area. :)

Foxy at w*rk...

We had a teacher who used to hit us with her ruler on the knuckles
.....................Ouch

Bri....

They all had their methods, didn't they? Can't help thinking that it
was better in the long term than today's approach, though.

Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...

I came across a good one. The teacher used walk round the class room
passing a heavy lead ball from hand to hand. As he stood by each desk in
turn he continued moving the ball from hand to hand. If he didn't like the
w*rk you were doing he'd *accidentally* drop the ball from above your desk.
The automatic reaction of most pupils was to jab out a hand to catch it
before it hit the desk top. Being heavy it would trap your hand between
falling ball and desk lid - - - - ouch. He would then smile at you, pick
the ball from your smarting hand and politely thank you before proceeding to

Bri....

Foxy at w*rk...

I have to agree Bri I have a friend who is having terrible problem with her
13 yr old Son. When she asks me advice (as I have brought up 2 Sons who have
never given me any real problem at all) I cannot help her as I never had her
problems to deal with. Her Son is abusive, has temper tantrums, breaks

Bri....

We were lucky too, but we only had one daughter. There were times, of
course, but a lot depends on their friends at the time, you can't choose
those, can you? She's married now and we're really proud of her.

furnature etc.

HeHe - Theye'd all be locked up these days.

Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...

They were more sensible than that and would have taken voluntary early
retirement as they saw the changes coming - says he who took VER in 1994 at

Bri....

Is that why you took VER FN?
Did you really see that it was all going sour?
The sad thing is that no-one is learning from what's happening, where
will it all end up?

the age of 53. :).

the next desk..

Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...

But was that with the edge of the ruler as we got sometimes? We never
messed around in Maths lessons.

BoyPete...

Oddly enough, I read that today too. I spoke to Lewis tonight, and told him
he is not to co-operate if asked. IMHO, it's an infringement of his human

Tickettyboo...

hmm, better to contact the school direct and express your wishes? Its
difficult for a 13 year old to gainsay the powers that be on their own. If
your wishes are on record he would be able to say 'my Dad rang the school
and said I wasn't to do it', then the responsibility is focussed away from
him and back to you where it belongs?

pmj...

Isn't that the sort of thing that he (or any child) ought to (& should)
be able to decide for themselves - *given the appropriate education,
information & warnings about it*?

BoyPete...

No. You cannot expect a 13 yr old to even begin to understand the FULL and
broader possible consequences.

Tickettyboo...

I agree Pete, explain your reasoning to him , but its a parental decision,
not one that children can make.

Note, my emphasis on that part of the decision making process.

rights. What amazes me is why no parents have kicked up??

pmj...

I don't expect many parents know the half of what goes on at their
children's Schools?

BTW - In my (very limited) experience of bringing up children,
(I only have 3 Children & they were all removed by their Mother from
the Family Home when the youngest was about 3 & the eldest was about
7 & I only saw them about twice per Month while they were at Primary
School & then about once per Month when they were at Secondary School)
Modern children don't seem to mind at all about being "kept tabs on"
by the Authorities (Schools, Police etc,).

They have all *Voluntarily* signed up for no end of different
"ID Schemes" - so they can buy things such as Drinks & Cigarettes
& get into Pubs, Clubs & Bars etc, without having to take their
Passports &/or Driving Licences with them, everywhere they go.

They don't seem to mind the fact that all those Schemes collect all
manner of Personally Identifiable Information & can thus be used to
trace their movements all over the place.

Mind you, when I was a kid (teenager) I was rather surprised to know
that the Police kept quite detailed records about where we had all
been driving!!!

I was stopped on more than one occasion & told that I (my car) had
been spotted some miles away, the previous week, etc...
& they were able to relate to me (most of) my movements over quite a
period of time, based on where my car was - & that was in the days
before Speed/Traffic Light Cameras & Automatic Licence Plate
Recognition & Congestion Charging etc.