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anyone brave enough
Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:49:52 +0000
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Aries...
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to try the latest Beta IE7?
Ponder...
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Last time I used a Beta Browser (IE5) I couldn't access many sites,
especially secure ones (banking). When I complained to bank they said they
don't support beta software, use a full version.
Aries...
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this is a later version and I have just logged onto my bank successfully :)
I keep my experiences with it posted
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I have downloaded it and trying it out now, so far looking good :)
Aries...
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Well I have given up on the latest IE Beta :( It failed for me this
morning when I tried to log on to Plus Net to FTP the very simple card I'd
made for JRT and Jean. It refused to load the page :( Also system restore
fail to jbex, said could not restore past the installation of IE7 :(
I then checked the situation on my desktop with IE6 still installed.
Everything jbexed as it should on there.
So I've now uninstalled IE7 Beta via control panel and back with IE6 on
Delta now and all jbexing OK.
It was interesting testing IE7 tho and I don't regret doing so - we live
and learn don't we and nothing ventured, nothing gained LOL
End of report.
Jackie...
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Thanks for doing the test Val, I am glad I never tried it!!
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Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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Thanks Val - glad I waited. :)
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Charlie Drake...
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15 mins to find first serious vulnerability!
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Tickettyboo...
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Not me..LOL I reckon Beta is a typo for brokted
Aries...
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So far so good Boo, tabbed browsing etc - looking good - you can read the
Tickettyboo...
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never really understood the excitement about tabbed browsing..I can have
pmj...
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I think that there are a lot of people who say they don't see the
point (or usefulness) of it...
But they are usually people who haven't actually tried it!
(& also got to know how best to use it & when).
& yes, it would take a bit of getting used to, so a lot of people
may well have tired it just a couple of times & not been able to
understand the point of it.
(at this point I have to say that I also don't use a Web Browser
with Tabbed Browsing, though I definitely *do* - very often - Open
up Web Pages in several different Browser Windows.
Again, many people are quite happy only ever having one Web Page
Open at a time!
I think it does take a bit of getting used to, the idea of having
several Pages Open & available at once, whether in Separate Windows,
or in Separate Tabs.
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as many windows open as I like and choose which one to go to from where
they are stacked in the taskbar.
Aries...
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surprising how popular it is with some folk tho, so I guess MS decided to
add the option.
IE7 looks a lot prettier too than IE6 LOL
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JoeH...
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Oh I love tabbed browsing (Firefox) and can't stand stacked thingies
in the taskbar. Each to his/her own ay wot?
Graham...
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I'm with you on the tabs Joe. I find it to be a much tidier way of
Foxy at home...
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I just like what I know. I didn't like Thunderbird untill I had to use it at
w*rk Now I prefer it
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working when you have a few pages open.
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Tickettyboo...
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oh yes, I aint saying it isn't handy, just that it appears to be a
different way to do exactly what I can already do. As you say, each to
his/her own :-)
MCC...
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Yes, they *look* identical, but as I said previously, they don't handle the
sound similarly.
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pmj...
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If you've got The Proxomitron, then I know I can do a bit more testing!
:-)
& if not, then I'll try & come up with some other way of getting
the Tag on a Web Page changed in Mozilla/Firefox Browsers,
so that you can tell when there's s'posed to be Sound on a Page
& it doesn't Play it.
Or to actually get it to Play (by changing the Tag to an
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JoeH...
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The beauty of tabs (for me) is that it doesn't automatically switch to
the new tab as you open a link in it. This means that from a web-search
search page, for example, you can open 3 or 4 new links "in new tab"
without having to switch back to web-search each time. By the time you've
pmj...
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You can *also* do that with Internet Explorer!
If you Set web-search as the Search Engine to use in the (Internet
Explorer) "Search Bar" (the Explorer Bar thingy down the Left Hand
side of the Window)
You Set it so that this (following) Page is the Default Search Page...
Yo uneed to make sure that is the Page that is used in the SearchBar
on the Left, which normally just goes to an M$N Web Search Page.
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chosen the last link the first one or two are already open in their
pmj...
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Yes I can see that is useful if you want to have several separate
pages Open all at once, but I still think that when you have got used to
handling multiple windows, that works fine.
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new tabs. Like Jen says, it takes a little getting used to but now I
only use IE for pages which don't open or work properly in Firefox.
Charlie Drake...
Aries...
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As I said before, interesting, but I will prove that for myself :)
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Try IE Tab - sorted
JoeH...
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Thanks Charlie I actually use the IEView to vie those sites, but I'll
certainly look at IE tab too.
JoeH...
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Just installed IE Tab - it's grrrrrrreat - thanks again Charlie.
Aries...
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I use that too with FF but only on certain sites :)
MCC...
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What advantage does IETab offer over right-clicking on a page in Firefox
and selecting "View this page in IE", please?
Aries...
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The main and most important advantage of using IE for me is that I can
upload pages and pics via FTP which I much prefer to any other method :)
MCC...
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Sorry, but that's not answering my question, Val ;-)
Aries...
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I'll need to think about that then ;)
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Charlie Drake...
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Hi MCC,
As I understand it, when you right click "View this page in IE" you open
the whole of the IE browser as a new app. When usinf IE Tab the ext only
utilises the Trident (I think this it what its called) engine within the
Fx app., saving memory.
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pmj...
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& (as Charlie Drake mentioned?) you can get an Add-On (Extension)
MCC...
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Thanks Charlie. I've installed it and now that I've discovered the icon in
the bottom right-hand corner it seems do just what it says on the tin :-)
Aries...
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It doesn't seem to want to download here:( And before you ask, yes I am
downloading it via FireFox :( Just a bland page comes up and nothing
happens :(
JoeH...
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I have the file if you'd like me to mail it to you.
Aries...
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would you - thanks Joe - reply to addy is OK to use :)
JoeH...
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Sent - to you plusnet one.
Aries...
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and received - I'll let you know what I think of it later :)
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MCC...
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No, haven't got The Proxomitron.
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MCC...
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Thanks to Charlie Drake I have now been able to install the BGMConductor
extension to Firefox 1.5 so I am now able to hear files directly
in Firefox without having to resort to scripts or other methods. :-)
I can always un-install it if you would like me to test your javascript or
whatever in Firefox.
MCC...
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I saw elsewhere that you have downloaded your own copy of Firefox - do you
still need me to test your files?
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Rabbit...
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Just out of interest Mike can you now see coloured scroll bars using that
method ?
MCC...
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If you let me have the addresses of a couple of your recent cards I can do
a comparison test for you :-)
MCC...
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As I expected, there are no coloured scroll bars in Firefox but there are
when I use "embedded IE" via the IETab icon.
Rabbit...
Seems a shame that this capability is limited to IE - they make your cards
look even nicer, more complete if you like.
Rabbit...
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It is a shame 'cos I like it, fills the screen better.
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The music plays fine in both.
Rabbit...
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They were both embedded though.
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MCC...
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Will this new IETab extension play music on a website with the
tag, I wonder?
Anyone care to point me to a page with music on that uses ?
Rabbit...
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YGM Mike I've dug out one of my old ones, very old, and one of the few still
on my L1 space but it's not for public viewing. You can tell us if BGSOUND
jbexes.
MCC...
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Thanks Sandra. Yes, BGSOUND works with the IETab extension set to show
pages as they would appear in Internet Explorer.
Rabbit...
Charlie Drake...
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Have you tried the BGM Conductor Extension:
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for Mozilla, which will Open a Page in Internet Explorer.
& (apparently) the later Versions of the Netscape Browser (which
is what Mozilla started off as anyway), can be set to use either
the Mozilla Rendering Engine or the IE Rendering Engine for
Pages, depending on how you Set the Preferences & what the URL is.
& they appear in *Tabs* within the main Window.
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BoyPete...
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Bit like using OE. Does what I want. lol
Might look at the newcomer though :)
Aries...
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bear in mind tho Pete that if you download IE7 it will replace your IE6
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pmj...
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Yep!
That works fine for lots of people.
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datasmog...
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That's precisely why tabs are popular. Your task bar doesn't fill up
with browser windows. Plus each browser window isn't just 'another
pmj...
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The TaskBar doesn't "fill up with lots of Browser Windows
(or actually [Buttons] for the Windows) anyway!!!
Ali...
In WinXP (at least) the Buttons Group together nicely, all in one
Button on the Taskbar & the Number of Windows taht go on a Button is
User selectable.
Ali...
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Last time I looked, in WinXP the buttons didn't group *until* the taskbar
was full.
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You can then *very* easily just Cliuck the Button & choose which
Window to bring to the front.
Ali...
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That's move down to the taskbar, click button, select from menu, click to
bring window to front; as opposed to move up to tab-bar, click tab.
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browser window', it's actually another instance of Internet Explorer.
pmj...
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Actually, no it's not!
The Default Setting is for the same Instance of Internet Explorer
to be used to be used, though that can be changed, if you want to.
You can see that for yourself, by lookin gat the Processes tab in
TaskManager.
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Whereas with a tabbed browser, you only open the browser once.
pmj...
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If you *manually* Open up Internet Explorer, several times, then yes,
you get several Instances of it Running, but if you just Open any new
Pages in a New Window - either by using SHIFT+Click on a Link, or by
using RightCLick>Open in New Window, then it uses the same Instance.
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And as for Beta software. Isn't Windows permanantly in Beta?
Charlie Drake...
MCC...
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That doesn't work with Firefox 1.5 - only up to Firefox 1.0
Charlie Drake...
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Sorry I should have said you will need Nightly Tester Tools :
to make it work.
pmj...
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VBG honest.
pmj...
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LOL!
Yep - just like things like Mozilla!
:-)
Basically *all* Software is almost always in a continual state of
Development - it can never be "finished" & "perfect".
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details here
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/tour/interface/
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Charlie Drake...
MCC...
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Even having installed Nightly Tester Tools, I still can't install
BGMConductor :-(
MCC...
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It's OK! I've got it up and running, thanks.
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Funny you should ask, tried it yesterday.
It's actually quite usable. If you're an FF user (esp of Tab-browsing
extensions), it'll look awfully familiar.
Ponder...
Of course, it's got pop-up blocking, etc. standard now, and they have
closed a few nasty holes in the scripting. There's a search bar just
like in FF, and it's easy to install new search engines from a
microsoft-maintained page. And they even defaulted the search to web-search
(because my previous IE6 settings said so - they at least honour the
BoyPete...
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Mmmm, yes was thinking about that. If 7 goes bums up, how do you get 6 back
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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Can't you set XP so that it will restore to the point just before you
installed IE7 ß, or is that being too simplistic?
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again?
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previous settings..)
The "anti-phishing" contacts some DB at microsoft - didn't get a chance
to really *test* it (yet - I'm really wary of actually clicking on one
of those phishing mails to try it out - gives me the feeling of trying
to test a pond by jumping into it feet first :-) .
One interesting thing is you can turn off the classic File/Edit/.../Help
menu bar, and rely on toolbar buttons. There's a fairly nice favourites
toolbar that hangs off a button next to the tab bar, and the home button
is to the right of the tab bar. The organization takes a few seconds to
get used to, but it's nice. There's also a quick button to add a link to
the favourites.
The visual look is really quite pleasant. Overall, it brings IE (at
least in regard to these few features) into near-parity with FF 1.5.
But of course if your not using XP your Bu**ered.
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Charlie Drake...
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An interesting one:
dose not work in IE7
Charlie Drake...
Aries...
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Ah but it does here LOL Maybe Sandra was right LOL
Charlie Drake...
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Does it all fit in one clean window or can you scroll to the left/right?
Aries...
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I need to scroll to the right :(
Charlie Drake...
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I rest my case your honour. ;o))
Charlie Drake...
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Sorry, Mozilla Firefox
Ponder...
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I know, it's Fx though not FF :)
Charlie Drake...
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New, something, every day, learn.
Ponder...
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I only found out by accident a few weeks ago :)
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Aries...
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Aries...
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jbexs OK here in IE6 tho - so one failing for me so far in IE7
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Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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i'll wait to see how many crashes you get in the next few weeks then Val.
Ta for the research. LOL
Aries...
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none so far - am I tempting fate LOL
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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And I'm still waiting. LOL
Aries...
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Still nothing untoward to report - sawry LOL
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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But there are some from others in here. :(
Aries...
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I can't explain that. Maybe it's because my lappy is a DELL and pretty new
?;)
Rabbit...
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Or * the Devil looks after his own * ??? :-)
Aries...
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You should know Sandra ;) ;) ;)
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Rabbit...
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And I've read of quite a few in other groups. They all seem to be different
glitches though.
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http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/7/1/971d0256-739c-4445-a2fe-f980d7cf3252/IE7B2P-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe
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