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PlusNet Speed Upgrade
Tue, 16 May 2006 10:10:16 +0100
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mothy...
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This morning my Internet connection has been all over the place with
lots of drop outs and refusal to connect to the Internet but will
connect to mail and newsgroups. (occasionally)
Jackie...
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Soon be whooooooooshing properly again I hope.
Mind you don't take off!!
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It seems to have settled now and I'm syncing at 5664 kbps down and 448
kbps up. So it looks like I can expect download speeds of around 4.5
mbps (at the moment) My expectation was around 6.0 mbps but I know I've
pmj...
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BTW - I just tried that Plusnet Speed Test Page (using my
Telewest/Blueyonder Cable Modem Whooosher Internet Connection)
& it said that the Connection Download Speed was about 4.3 mbps
(giving an actual Download Speed of about 500 KBytes/Sec)
Which is about right - I normally get around 500KBytes/Per Sec
actual Download Speed, from Servers that can Send stuff fast enough
That is when the Connection from my PC to the Cable Modem is done
using an 802.11g (54mbps) WiFi thingy
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pmj...
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It shouldn't really make any difference...
Cos a typical WiFi (802.11g) Connection has a *Rated* (Theoretical)
Speed of 54 mbps, which is *way* faster than the fastest ADSL
Connection Speed.
OK, a WiFi Connection will never reach anywhere near that
*Theoretical* Maximum Speed, but it's still going to be faster than
the Internet Connection, even allowing for the Overheads (Error
Correction &/Encryption) in the WiFi Transmission Protocols.
Aries...
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Really - that's good news then, except I'm not even getting 2 mbps and I do
know for certain that my telephone exchange is enabled for 8mbps. So why
is that then ?
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got a dodgy line, especially when it's wet,(did I tell you I hate BT? -
Rabbit...
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'Cos like FN and me Plusnet haven't submitted your account to BT yet for
upgrading to either MaxDSL or LLU
Aries...
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why not I want to know ??
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takes off grumpy hat quickly!) and there's plenty of that around at the
moment. (Sorry for talking about water, for those of you down the smoke
way, no intention to upset - honest)
I've had no personal notification of the change (yet or maybe never) but
I did recognise the symptoms from all the communication I've received
over the last few months about the upgrade.
Putting chinstraps on me hat - here we gooooo!
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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Still no change here Mothy - 2272 Kbps down and 288 Kbps up. :(
Rabbit...
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No change here either :-( I'd to manually connect the router again too so
was hoping.
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Aries...
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no change here either although my exchange is supposedly enabled for higher
Rabbit...
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I reckon we need to find out what it is that MCC has got that the rest of us
forgotten ones don't ;-)
Aries...
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Shingles is what he's got :(
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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Well I'll stick to my 2Mbps speed then. :(
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MCC...
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At the moment I've got 448 up and 7744 down :-)
Rabbit...
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Oh you can go off people you know :-)
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Whooooooosh
That's only the synch speed - I did a speed test on the BT site in the
early hours of this morning and got 4.5 Mb download - which will do me
nicely.
For 50 pence a day I reckon I'm getting a bargain, but I'm easily pleased
pmj...
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But what do you actually do in the way of Downloading anything that
actually *needs* (or benefits from) any higher Speed than that?
I hear many people talking about what Download Speed they get,
but surely most of those people don't actually *use* that Speed?
Can you Name any of the things that you use, that actually need
a really high Speed?
Jeff Gaines...
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Higher speed will be essential for the transition to Internet
broadcasting, which will replace radio transmission eventually. It's
Ali...
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How will that work for car radios?
pmj...
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LOL!
Good point!!!
I don't think ordinary (Analogue) Radio will *ever* actually
completely disappear & be replaced by Digital stuff...
Jeff Gaines...
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Then why can't we hear the Martians, they're not that far away?
Ali...
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That red dust - it's iron oxide, and forms a Faraday cage, with all the
transmissions on the inside.
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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So they live under the surface, just like Clangers then. I wonder if they
have an iron chicken and a soup dragon as well? :)
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pmj...
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ROFL!
Plus, of course, the "Vacuum" that is between us & Mars!
:-)
That Blocks the ElectroMagnetic Waves dunnit?...
:-)
You know, the Vacuum like what *isn't* in Sealed Units in Double
Glazing , which are actually, (usually) Filled *not* with
a Vacuum, but an Inert Gas (or Nitrogen) - or in "El Cheapo" Units,
from Shyster type Firms just ordinary Air.
Obviously a *Vacuum* has no blocking effect at all, on any Magnetism
(or ElectroMagnetic Waves) at all.
They can travel equally well through any Gas, Air or Vacuum.
(But not, as Ali points out) through a "Faraday Cage" - or Screen
or Mesh)
:-)
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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I think you need sorting oput by a *good* physics teacher pmj. LOL
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Rabbit...
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We could ( and *conspiracy theory mode*) if it wasn't for the old fashioned
copper cable from BT to our houses ;-)
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(unlike Analogue TV, which may well do, in 5 or 6 Years time,
if Current Plans by the Government work out).
But anyway, Analogue Radio will still Run *alongside* whatever other
things are used & for Portable Reception, such as Car Radios etc,
they intend to use DAB - Digital Audio Broadcasting.
The Internet can't (& won't) ever completely replace *all* forms
of Broadcasting, though it may well be used more & more.
But having said all that, High Speed Internet *isn't* actually needed
for Radio type stuff!!!
A typical Radio Station Transmission can actually be Sent down
a surprisingly Narrow bandwidth Connection & still sound OK.
Yep, *TV* (TeleVision) - & Films/Videos) do require higher Bandwidth,
but Radio doesn't need a particularly high Bandwidth.
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Jeff Gaines...
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We will be using teleportation by then so no problems :-)
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already happened on other worlds, the reason we can't pick up radio/TV
signals from Mars is that they are all transmitted underground on optic
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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You're most likely correct, but what am I to do with this slow 2Mbps
Plusnet conction - it's currently down to 740Kbps atm? :(
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fibre :-)
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Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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Only the occasional video/audio link I might use at some time. Like when
there is an interesting space shot to watch from NASA. The quality never
seems to appear that good to me. But then who does *need* that kind of
pmj...
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That's cos those sort of Video Clips *aren't* actually Sent in very
good Quality!
They are usually (relatively) small (Pixel) Sized Videos.
& they are *very* highly Compressed & thus appear very "Blocky",
"Pixellated" & "jerky".
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pmj...
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Anybody who wants to Download a lot of stuff, in as short a time
as possible.
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speed. It's just that we have to wait longer for the stuff to come down and
Ifor one, get jealous. :( I hear people saying that now we have BB that
pmj...
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See my Reply to Sandra.
These days, it's very often not the (actual Download) Speed of
*your* Internet Connection that is the limiting factor...
The probs are usually down to the Limits of the Server the other end
& the various Connections along the way.
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pmj...
lot's of webpages are including more and more and that slows things up
again. Pity the <56K PAYG-er. I know when I try to get into some pages it
pmj...
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Yep!
My Sister (in Argentina) is still having to use a 56k Dial Up!
:-(
& that is a *bad* Dial Up Connection, at that!
& the Interconnections along the way are also very poor.
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seems to take absolute ages to download - and I'm usually getting around 1.9
pmj...
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Yep.
See above.
It's the stuff along the way (& the Web Server the other end) that
usually causes the problem.
& also, the fact that many Web Pages these days are made up of lots
of bits that come from various different Web Servers, each of which
needs a *separate* HTTP Request.
If you look at the *actual* Bandwidth (Data Transfer Speed) that
your Connection is using, (over a period of time, when Browsing the
Web, using eMail & Newsgroups etc,) it will very rarely (if ever)
be Running at anywhere near it's actual Capacity.
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Mbps.
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speeds now
Downstream 1,663.3 Kbps ( = 1.6 Mbps )
Upstream 241.5 Kbps ( = 0.2 Mbps )
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Rabbit...
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Just received from Plusnet Great news! We're delighted to announce
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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Yep that's what I was quoted whe my speeds were dropping to around 500
Kbps - however some went as low as 250 Kbps. Didn't make much difference to
the outcome though. Still up and down like a yo-yo.
ZDNet have just measured it as:
Your line speed:
2072.1 Kbps
253.9 K bytes/sec :) I'm sayin' nowt.
Aries...
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just tested mine several times - this was the latest
Your line speed:
2914.3 Kbps
357.1 K bytes/sec
Aries...
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and now it's
Your line speed:
2106.4 Kbps
258.1 K bytes/sec
it varies from minute to minute !
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that your broadband has been upgraded to give you 'Up to 8Mb' speeds.
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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My router just quotes *Data rate* as 2272 Kbps Down 288 Kbps Up
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quote.
MCC...
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Sooper Dooper Whoosher Sandra :-))
Aries...
Rabbit...
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And it was only coincidence that I asked for a time scale on the customer
service newsgroup yesterday :-)
Rabbit...
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Probably all the disgruntled regraded Plusnet customers ;-)
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Rabbit...
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For a test I just downloaded Irfanview.
884Kb in 4 seconds from UK
884Kb in 10 seconds from Oz
884Kb in 16 seconds from USA.
pmj...
pmj...
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OK, so that shows that there's a pretty wide variation in the
Performance of your Connection, depending on the Server?
- Or the *route* to the Server?
In 4 Seconds, with a 4mbps (for example) Connection (Typical Download
Speed of about 500KBytes/Sec), you *should* be able to Download about
2 MBytes.
& in 10 Seconds about 5 MBytes
So those figures for the Download Speed that you Posted don't seem
very good, do they?
:-(
But those were relatively small Files, weren't they & the time taken
to establish the actual TCP/IP Connection & for the HTTP Response
(both of which aren't really anything to do with your *Connection*
(Download) Speed) must be a fair proportion of that overall time
Now, (at the risk of clogging up the Network *even more*!) try
it with a slightly bigger Download File?
Such as the Google Earth Setup Application? - That's about 11.2 MB...
The Google Download Servers are usually pretty Fast & can serve up
pmj...
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Nope, it's not Brokted (but, yes, it *does* use a bit of a weird
(& un-neccessarily Complicated) way of Initiating the Download...
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pmj...
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That's cos the Scripts on that Page have prolly been Filtered by
The Proxomitron.
Rabbit...
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Must be something else 'cos I tried bypassing Proxomitron.
pmj...
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Nope.
I don't think so...
Remember, that once you've been to a Page (especially one that
fetches & loads up Scripts), then those Scripts (&/or the Web Pages
itself) will already be in the Temporary Internet Files Cache Folder
& they will have *already* been Filtered by The Proxomitron...
So...
When you "Bypass" it, the Web Browser (Internet Explorer or whatever)
just Loads up *the same* File(s) again!
You would need to *also* empty out your Temporary Internet Files
Cache Folder.
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It uses various bits of JScript & Redirecting, to Serve up the
right File (I think they also do it that way so as to Track & Count
the Downloads - have a look at the "View Source" of that Page,
to see what I mean).
It eventually ReDirects to this Pag, so try that?
pmj...
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LOL!
But can't you think of anything that you could do that would
actually *need* (or benefit from) a higher Connection Speed?
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pmj...
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It's usually around about 500 KBytes/Sec (that's 4mbps)
:-)
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.people.silversurfers/browse_frm/thread/95d9eb5bfdb0ab66/44f6cd36af20a2e6
Yep!
:-)
I find that using the Google Maps (Web Application - & also the
Google Earth Application - really is very much better, with a good
Connection Speed.
Rabbit...
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When I first got BB (512) everything was so fast but by the time 512 was the
pmj...
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Yep, that's cos a typical 512kbps Connection is over 10 (more like
15 or even 20) times as fast as a typical Dial Up Connection...
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norm for just about everybody and I moved to 2mb I didn't notice a great
pmj...
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Yep, that's cos going from 512kbps to 1 (or 2) mbps is only an
increase of about 2 (or 4) times in the Speed, compared with the
15 (or 20) times increase from 56k Dialup to 512kbps.
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difference. IMHO that's 'cos the web makers had adjusted to BB and added
bells and whistles and fancy flash stuff so relatively it wasn't any
pmj...
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There may well be *some* of that involved.
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quicker. Being a cynic and sceptic I suspect the same thing will happen with
as faster speeds become the norm so ordinary web sites which are fast now on
2mb could become relatively as slow if you don't have the faster connection.
pmj...
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In fact (when it comes to viewing Web Pages (as opposed to Downloading
Files) it's very often the case that the Speed of the Internet
Connection that you use is no longer the limiting factor - the main
prob is with the *rest* of the Internet & all the Routes & intermediate
Connections (& the Web Server).
Also (again with Web Pages), when you look at a typical Web Page
& wonder why it seems to be taking a long time to show up, it's cos
the Web Page is made up of lots of *separate* bits & pieces, (often
"Dynamically generated"), from all sorts of different Servers, each
of which requires a *separate* 9& discreet) TCP Connection to be made.
So, even though a Web Page may (still) be (relatively) small in
total KiloBytes - even if it's 50 (or 100 or 200) KB or so, which
*should* take less than a Second to Download (even 1MB only takes
3 or 4 Seconds on a typical ADSL Connection) - the complete Page
actually takes longer, cos of all the different Server Requests
involved.
Like I say, in many cases, it's not the (Download) Speed of *your*
Connection that is the limiting factor.
It's cos of the way Web Pages are (poorly) designed & they fail to
properly allow for the fact that (with a fast Connection) it's the
total number of separate Requests that has to be made (& Dynamically
generated Responses for each Request), that slows things up.
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& I Download a fair bit of stuff in the way of Radio Programmes from
the BBC "Listen Again" Website - with a 4mbps Connection, that means
I can Download 2 Hours worth of Programmes (about 50 MBytes) in around
about 2 Minutes
:-)
& Downloading large Files, such as some large Installation Programs
& things like CD ISO Images etc, is quicker on a 4mbps Connection
than with a slower Speed.
It Downloads at about 500KBytes/Sec(which is about 1MB every 2 Seconds
- which is about 1 GB (GigaByte) in Half an Hour! - 2 GB in an Hour!
So, if you have an Internet Connection with a Data Transfer Limit
or Cap, (like many do) then, surely having a very fast Connection
isn't really all that much *practical* use, if it just means that
you end up hitting the Limit sooner?
& now, the BBC is also making available some of their *TeleVision*
Programs, (at least at the mo, the BBC2 ones) from their Website,
so that means that you can Download an Hour long TV Programme (about
146 MB) in less than 10 Minutes!
:-)
Or, if you watch it as a Streaming Video thing (as opposed to
Downloading it) then you can also Download plenty of other things
at the same time as the Stream is coming in.
(obviously, you can also do that when you're downloading it, not as
a Stream - the Download just takes a bit longer.)
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http://earth.google.com/tour/thanks-win.html
Rabbit...
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Yep that offers me the download thanks.
pmj...
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Good!
(though that means that your Web Security Settings seem to be
allowing Downlaods to be initiated by the Server?
That may well be OK, but (in some circumstances) that can be a bit
dodgy.
Rabbit...
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But what's the diference between clicking on
http://dl.google.com/earth/GoogleEarth.exe and getting a download box and
http://earth.google.com/tour/thanks-win.html offering me a download exactly
the same only with picures on the page behind it?
pmj...
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There are several differences...
One of which is that if a Site offers a *ReDirected* Download Page,
rather than a strightforwards *Clickable* Link to the Download, then
it *could* end up at a different place altogether, without you (the
User) having any indication of that happening. [*1]
Which is how many "Exploits" & "Vulnerabilities" are taken advantage
of, by Malicious Sites.
Obviously(?) Google aren't likely to be doing anything Dodgy
(other than simply Counting "Clicks" & Tracking Users & Serving
up Adverts etc,) but the Vulnerabilities were sufficiently serious
for M$ to change the Download Behaviour of Internet Explorer, so many
of those "Automatic" Download type Sites/Links no longer work.
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& how long did it take when you Downlaoded it from there then???
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& that enables them to change the *actual* URL of the Download File
itself, without changing the URL of the Download Page.
Also, they (like many Download Sites) have tried to make it do an
"Automatic" Download, but WinXP SP2 Stops that sort of thing & Blocks
it, so they give a normal Link, on that (2nd, ReDirector) Page,
to the Download File itself, which says this...
"Thanks. The Google Earth download should
start automatically.
If it doesn't, please click here to start it.
So try this URL, which is the direct URL of the (current) Download
File...
http://dl.google.com/earth/GoogleEarth.exe
Rabbit...
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http://earth.google.com/tour/thanks-win.html just popped up a download box.
pmj...
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& I presume that it then Downloaded the File from the same place
(dl.google.com) as that other (direct) Link above?
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stuff very quick.
I just tried that & it took 25 Seconds (that's about 461 KBytes/Sec)
pmj...
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& I just tried it again (Tw3ice! - at about 18:30, Sun Eve) & both
times, it took about 40 or 50 Seconds!
:-(
That's only about 245 or 230KBytes Per Sec, which is unusually slow
for the Google Download Servers.
:-(
Maybe that's cos it's mid-morning (& possibly quite busy) in the
(routes to the ) U Sof A?
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& what about something like the Skype Setup File? - That's about 9MB
Though I find that the Skype Download Servers aren't (unusually) as
fast as the Google Download Servers
I just tried that & it took 39 Seconds (which is about 235 KBytes/Sec)
That's nearly half the Speed of the Google Servers & well under half
the Speed of what this (4 mbps Cable Modem) Whooosher Connection is
capable of, but both of those Files will serve as a fairly reliable
indication of your actual (real world), typical Download Speed.
pmj...
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The Skype Downlaod Page also does some Redirecting, but without
using JScript.
& the (Current) Direct Download URL for Skype is...
http://download.skype.com/SkypeSetup.exe
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My router is reporting
Up Stream 448 (Kbps.)
pmj...
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I just tried the Skype downlaod again & it took 45 Seconds (which
is about 256 KBytes Per Second)
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pmj...
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Yep.
How about trying Downloading *both* Files at once?
Rabbit...
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With the Internet currently like treacle for me :-(
pmj...
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Yes!!!
That's the whole point!!!
I thought we were trying to ascertain whether the prob was with
*your* Connection (or the ISP that you are Connecting with/through?
Setting 2 (separate) Downlaods in action, from different Servers
will enable you to properly utilise the *actual* capity of your
Internet Connection, without it relying on just one Server.
& will give you a fairer & more accurate view of what's what.
Rabbit...
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I really couldn't have trusted it yesterday to be in any way a reflection of
pmj...
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OK...
So, doing it would have *still* given you an indication of what
your actual Connection could handle, wouldn't it?
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normality. I ( and other Plusnet users) was getting timeouts I was also
getting disconnections, where I has synch but no data on my router. Since I
don't expect that to be the norm I didn't think it a good time to do a test.
pmj...
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Yes, but if you try things like that both under "normal" circumstances
& also under conditions that aren't "normal", then surely, it gives
you some indication of what's what?
LOL!
You're going on as if it's something really dreadful & onerous,
(or costly?) just to Download a couple, of 10 MB Files!
:-)
Wouldn't it be more useful & Instructive to do a few Downloads like
that, rather than spending all this time wrangling about it?
:-)
Coming up with ever more tenuous (& illogical) reasons as to why you
don't want to do it?
:-)
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Start the Download for one of them, using the Direct Download URL
& then start the other one.
Then, when they are both done, add together the 2 Download Speeds
that it shows & (assuming that you were doing them both at the same
time) it will show you the *Total* Download Capacity (Rate) of the
Connection that was actually being used.
That will give a pretty good indication of the Capacity of *your*
Internet Connection, (as opposed to the limitations of the Servers)
& it will even out the differences which are due to the different
Routes & the Congestion along the way.
I just tried Downloading them both together & got these results...
Google
11.2 MB in 48 Secs (240 KBytes/Sec)
Skype
8.96 MB in 44 Secs (208 KBytes/Sec
240 + 208 = 448 KBytes/Sec, which is about what I would expect from
a 4mbps Connection, but a *little* bit on the low side, cos those
Servers seem to be a bit slow at the mo.
So (trying to work it out another way) that's...
11.2 + 8.96 = 20.16 MB
which took:
48 Seconds (that's the longer of those 2 figures)
Which is about .42 MBytes/Sec
&
20.16 (MBytes) x 1024 = 20643.84 (KiloBytes)
&
20643.84 / 48 (Secs) = 430 KBytes/Sec
Which tallies with the above figures.
Try it & see what you get at the mo?
Then you will know if the prob is really with your Connection/Setup
(or your ISP), rather than with the Routes to the other Servers
Rabbit...
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I think I'll pass for the moment. I'm supposed to allow 10/14 days to train
pmj...
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Doh!
:-(
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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And to think that whilst you were doing all that you could have been
enjoying some of those European songs from Athens. ;)
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pmj...
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So, surely, actually *using* your Connection, to Download something
(like I suggested, by Downloading a few decent sized Files) would
be a pretty good way of "training" it?
Rabbit...
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I have no idea, there is so much conflicting info about this *training* plus
pmj...
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Well, I reall ycan't see that Downlaoding a couple of 10MB Files can
possibly cause the System to "Train" it incorrectly?
It can't do any harm?
Yet it *could* (quite probably) Help you so you know what to expect,
under various different circumstances.
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the BT bit.
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my line so I'll gladly try as you suggest after that period but methinks it
would be a thankless task just now :-(
pmj...
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I don't think it's really a question of it being "thankless"?
& it's certainly not a "task"!
Rabbit...
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Oh did you get a new nit comb for your birthday ???;-)
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It's just Downloading 2 Files (of about 10 MB each), just to check
to see what your Connection Capacity actually *is* at the mo.
You can look in the (windoze) Task Manager (on the "Networking" Tab),
or in your Kerio Firewall "Status" Page, to see a Graph of the Download
Speed, as the Download Progresses, if you want, so you can see if it's
a nice steady Speed, or if it keeps "stopping & starting"
Rabbit...
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This is what ? Tuesday. I'll give it till say Friday and try the two files
pmj...
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LOL!
:-)
But then, what will you have t ocompare the figures you get *then*
with?
If you haven't already tried it before?
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then. I don't expect BT will have changed anything by then but hopefully I
won't be getting the treacle and disconnections then.
pmj...
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Another reason why I suggested trying doing a few *Sustained*
Downloads, (as opposed to just looking at Web Pages with lots
of (separate) bits & pieces on them) was to ascertain whether the
prob(s) that you are having might be Down to poor Routing or bad
DNS or stuff like that, rather than the actual Download Speed.
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Down Stream 7136 (Kbps
Unfortunately so far online speed test aren't reporting anything like that.
zdnet 2056.5 Kbps
BT 1901 kilo bits per second (Kbps),
ADSL Guide Downstream: 1885.18 Kbps (1.84 Mbps) Upstream: 376.21 Kbps (0.37
Mbps)
MCC...
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Nine days since mine was upgraded and the best speed I've seen is 4+ Mbps
twice and both occasions were in the middle of the night.
Rabbit...
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Oh I must remember to try it during the night and see if I can get the 6mb
I'm told my line will sustain.
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However we'll see in the next 10/14 days how my line settles. According to
what I've read I should be able to sustain 6mb so we'll see. But at least
I'm on my way to super whooshing :-)
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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ZDNet News is measuring mine as Your line speed: 1920 Kbps 235.3 K
bytes/sec
ADSL Guide: Downstream 1,690.1 Kbps (= 1.7 Mbps): Up[stream 238.7 Kbps (=
0.2 Mbps) atm,
and my router is still reporting *2272 Kbps down and 288 Kbps up* ;(
You can go off people. :(
Rabbit...
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Actually I think I was lucky and just got squeezed in. According to the
customer feedback newsgroup BT withdrew the bulk upgrade tool yesterday with
only twenty minutes warning so the regrades will slow down for a few weeks.
However BT did that to resolve issues with the regrade.
Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...
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Is that comment restricted to your exchange or for all the other
unfortunates who have not been upgraded yet?
Rabbit...
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Everybody. Full post as posted by Dave Tomlinson
Earlier this afternoon, with less than twenty minutes warning BT turned
off their bulk upgrade tool, meaning that both ourselves and other ISPs
are unable to place orders in this fashion. Though in this short time
frame we were able to push through another 4000 orders from those who
haven't yet been upgraded, who can now be added to the approximately 35000
customers who have already been upgraded to BT's Max offering.
At the moment we don't expect this to be available again until after the
6th of June. This means that the queue jump process is going to be put on
hold until this time, though you should feel free to continue to raise
these tickets through the http://trials.plus.net page, so that we can
process these requests once the tool is available again.
BT have taken these steps so that they can concentrate on resolving the
issues that have occurred since the IPStream Max products have been widely
available. Problems that I'm sure many of you on this forum have heard
about, or in some unfortunate cases experienced yourselves.
If you are synching with your exchange at speeds above 2mb, but only
seeing 2mb download speeds, we would ask that you be patient and give BT
chance to resolve this. Though if you're still not seeing the speeds that
you should be, then raise it through to us if BT's work doesn't resolve
this by the 6th of June.
Once we have further information on this from BT, a more detailed service
status will be posted.
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I'm currently synched at 448 up and 7808 down but my speed test is only
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Not much better than my 2Mbps connection then. :(
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showing 2.1 Mbps.
I'm not worried though - as long as it's reliable then I'm happy. For 50
pence per day I am not grumbling.
Rabbit...
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That's true and that's what we paid for a 56K :-)
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And we've both been upgraded before the Flying Nun :-))
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Rabbit...
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I wasn't going to mention that but YAAAHHHOOOO
:-)
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mothy...
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I think this maybe the case. I do have a USB modem which has a max
thoughput of 8 mbps. But hopefully I will be changing that today for a
router which I hope will give me some stability, hence my not
complaining until tomorrow.
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mothy...
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LOL I'm definitely on BT and very unlikely to go to Twistcali. Even=20
mothy...
mothy...
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FN, Since my upgrade I've seen the worst service I've ever had. I=20
mothy...
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Well I've just got back home and I left my PC running and connected as=20
is their want. I've just done a PlusNet speed test which is usually=20
around the 1.9 mbps mark.
Well still syncing at 5664 kbps but the speed test shows 1.54 mbps. It=20
went down to 0.9 mbps before I went out but was as high as 3.3 mbps when =
I first became aware of the increased sync speed.
Just out of interest my bill is due on the 11th of the month and I=20
noticed some funnies around that date. So they are sticking to the bill=20
proximity date as they said and I've been with them since 2004. Hope=20
this might context your own upgrade?
We ain't happy at this end of the line :-( I want my 1.9 mbps connection =
back!! goes off head down, stomping feet.
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suppose a certain amount of training is required but my download speeds=20
have tumbled. It takes ages just to sync with the exchange and obtaining =
my IP address is very fragile. However, I will be patient as they claim=20
a 3 - 10 day period to settle this in.
They have picked and I've hit 3.5 mbps this pm but Internet access has=20
been dire. Sites that used to fly onto my browser crawl on now.
It seems too that I've been designated as a 4 mbps downloader, I haven't =
a clue how that works.
So far I'm disappointed, I was happy with my 2 mbps as it did what it=20
said on the tin.
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Let's hope they've sorted it out by the time they try and change me over
then. :)
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Syncing at 8032 kbps downloading at 1806 kbps yep it's treacle, black I=20
mothy...
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Well I'm snyncing slowly into the depths of despair or should I say=20
syncing fast into the depths of despair. A constant 8096 kbps down and=20
448 kbps up but all those speed tests tell me I can't expect more than=20
2500 kbps down. :-( , although one of them told me 8000 kbps. Someone=20
has got their maths wrong! I hope it's the former, which is the one=20
Rabbit pointed me to.
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mothy...
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Suppose I left the door open there.:-) but I hope you found the rest of=20
it useful for when you finally get your upgrade. Sometimes it's better=20
to be at the back of the queue.
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Too true - let others be the guinea pigs. :)
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Nice to hear the news is good about your eyes!
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Thanks for that, it's so good to get good service too. I dropped in at
Specsavers to make a fresh appointment on the way back and shortly after I
Rabbit...
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Oh well I guess the wife of one of the *high heid yins* will be getting the
company helicopter to fly her to M&S for more knickers again. You shouldn't
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Why not? It gives people summat to gab about. :)
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Yeah well give me the use of a helicopter to shop and you can gab all you
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Well, when my Dad had a greengrocer shop in Dore - a sort of Gerrards Cross
or Esher type of outling are of Sheffield in the 1950s, we had some
customers who made a weekly trip on the Pullman servie (Master Cutler) to
London to go shopping. I reckon that's as posh as going shopping by
helicopter 50 years on.
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Yebbut were the customers or the company paying ? I object to a percentage
of what I pay ( or would if I was ever going back near a Specsavers, which
I'm not) for their overpriced specs going to fund shopping trips. And the
case I cited was only the one I know personally about, there's probably
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There's always more. Everybody seems to be on the take or make these days.
:(
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more.
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like about me :-)
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encourage them :-(
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arrived home their optromotist who saw me yesterday 'phoned to see how I'd
got on at the hospital. That was good of her wasn't it?
Things are beginning to look a little less blurred too, so perhaps the
drops are beginning to wear off now.
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think this is a dark moment.
Been out playing bowls in the rain, that's was like treacle too!
I don't like treacle! :-(
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mothy...
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Article posted by Liam on Monday, 22-May-2006 16:53 PM
Late last week, BT removed access to the ADSL Bulk Regrade Tool used by=20
ISPs to transfer customers to DSLMax and, as a result, halted Plusnet's=20
ability to carry out promised free-of-charge regrades to customers'=20
connections.
With less than twenty minutes notice the telco pulled the tool due to=20
what they say was a "software glitch" and it's likely to be at least two =
weeks before it will be available again.
So far, Plusnet have given out free-of-charge regrades to more of it's=20
customers than any other ISP. Presently 35,000 customers have been=20
switched to the Max service, allowing them access to faster upload and=20
download speeds.
Marketing Director, Neil Armstrong told The Register last week: "We use=20
the bulk upgrade tool provided by BT, but at 1pm, with less than 20=20
minutes notice, BT stopped ISPs placing any more upgrade orders.
"Now we can't place more orders to upgrade the remainder of our=20
customers until BT resolves the issues they have, which is expected to=20
be several weeks away. This is really frustrating as customers have been =
looking forward to 8Mbps speeds for some time and this will lead to=20
further disappointment."
The move to disable the tool came hours after BT reported it's figures=20
to the city, bragging about it's "Stable" DSLMax Product.
A BT Wholesale spokeswoman confirmed the problems, saying: "We are=20
confident that a fix can be put in place pretty quickly, but as a=20
precaution we have decided not to take bulk migration orders for two=20
weeks. This is so our ISP customers don't need to reset any end user=20
migration dates."
But just what do BT mean by "Software glitch". It has been suggested=20
that the issues may not be with the tool itself, but with the MaxDSL=20
rollout in general. This thread on ADSLGuide might be closer to the=20
truth with regards to the tool's suspension. MaxDSL might just have been =
plagued from the start.
When Max was originally introduced, a bug within BT's BRAS systems meant =
that users being 'max-ed' actually received no additional speed for upto =
12 days whilst the systems at fault caught up.
Aside from this, a number of users have reported connectivity issues=20
with regards to Max Regrades. These disconnections have been mainly due=20
to the new process of negotiating sync-speed based on line conditions=20
'on the fly' but it seems, for many, this is resulting in numerous=20
disconnections daily.
For many the tool's suspension may seem like a step in the right=20
direction - buying BT some time to sort out issues experienced with many =
Max provisioned lines. But PUG wonder why BT just cannot seem to get it=20
right whilst most LLU operators are seeing no such problems at the same=20
time as being ahead of BT with speeds and ADSL2+.
The Usergroup would like to reassure customers that Plusnet will=20
immediately continue using the Bulk Regrade tool to carry on its upgrade =
programme as soon as BT allow and are working through Max faults as fast =
as they possibly can. A BT update to service providers is due on June 2nd=
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Telewest brought a cable this way and took it's cable around the outside =
of the village. They have no intention of bringing the cable in. I'm=20
seemingly stuck with BT with whom I've had lots of run ins.
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I just thought you may have been with Plusnet and I was under the impreesion
that they were going to be tied in to the Twistcali system somehow. :) or
in my case :(
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