At long last, I've been playing

Actually got around to trying out some Website stuff.
So far managed a simple (like me) home page. and been playing at making new
directories so I can upload some genealogy (yawn) images as and when
required by SWMBO.

Rabbit...

Well done Terry Do I presume there might be a mention of 7of 9 somewhere
when you get it fully functional ???;-)

Speaking of which I was asked for a photo of me many moons ago at the time
we were playing Hobbits, by someone who is just the other side of the wall
in front of me, Thought you might like to see what was sent in reply ;))

Rabbit...

Is that *paper view* ???:-)

pmj...

LOL!!!
:-)

Great!
Well done on sussing out some of what's involved in the writing of
Web Pages & getting Pics to show on them & then Uploading them (the
Pages & the Pics) into the right Directory (Folder) on the Web Server!!!
:-)

Yes, there *is* actually quite a lot involved! - & *all* the
intervening stages have to be done & working right, otherwise the
stuff won't show up right, but as you have found, with a bit of
patience it can be done OK.

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

Hi pmj
Yes, there were quite a few failures and a few heart pounding moments when
I thought I'd broketed my Web space :)

Now...
Can I make a comment/observation/suggestion?

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

of course and welcomed.

You have used on that Page a whole load of
(LineBreak) HTML
Tags (I presume you did that simply by Pressing the [Enter]
or [Return] Key on the Page in your Web Page Editor?)

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

Yes, Just trying to see if I could get it on the site
I'm using Nvu 1.0 and Wise FTP at the moment.

As you make more Pages, you'll find that trying to use

(LineBreaks) for *positioning* stuff on Pages is going to cause you
all sorts of unexpected & annoying probs, so it's best (early on!)
not to get into the habit of doing things which are known to cause
probs for yourself.

LineBreaks were intended to be (& should be) used for forcing
a *LineBreak* in Text & were never intended to be (& shouldn't be)
used for *Positioning* stuff on Web Pages.

If you want to *Position* something on the Page (which I presume
was your intention, since you also used style="text-align: center;"
for the

which contains the Pic), then you should use the "style"
stuff to do the Positioning.

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

I found how to centre to the using the style, but haven't (as yet) found
how to position the same way

pmj...

Well, "centreing" *is* Positioning!
:-)

But (as you have found out), you can very easily centre stuff
*horizontally* (within the Window Width, or within the Width
of a

), but what you can't ever do nearly so easily is to
*Vertically* centre stuff...

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

Yes Got that.

There are lots of reasons for why that is, but it's prolly best just
to accept that & then design your Pages so that you/they don't need
(or expect) to have stuff centred Vertically.

One of the reasons is that how do you define the "height" of a Web Page?

Think about it - The Height of a Web Page will depend on the Width
(in many cases, cos the Text in it will Flow down through the Page.)
Also, the Height of a Web Page is very often more than the Height of
the *Window* that it's being Viewed in, (& the Viewer then Scrolls
down to see the rest of the Page) so is (the notional) "centre" of it,
the "centre" of the Window? - Or the "centre" of the overal Page?

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

Understood.

Whatever you do (in the way of fudges & Kludges, such as using Forced
LineBreaks -
Tags etc,) will cause you plenty of *other* problems,
so it's best to just accept that the stuff will appear Vertically down
the Page at whatever Position the rest of the stuff (text, Pictures etc,
on the Page determine.

As soon as you start to try to *force* something to appear at a
particular ("Absolute") Position on a Web Page in a Window, then you
are laying yourself open to plenty of other probs & you are virtually
guaranteeing that the Page *won't* look the same in all sorts of
different peoples's Web Browsers (though the original intention of the
Vertical centreing is/was obviously to *try* & make it look the same!)

If you work within the limitations that HTML Web Pages have, rather
than trying to make it do stuff it wasn't intended to do & if you
design stuff bearing that in mind, then you will find taht the Pages
look OK in a far greater range of Browsers (but you can't make them
look identical) - that's one of the first things to learn.

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

Understood. I just used the default settings of Nvu without delving much
into the settings of it at all, just to see if I could do it.
Now I know I can I'll delve deeper in to it, but HTML is a foreign language
to me. :(

Have a look at the HTML Source of the Page & you can see what the
Web Page Editor Writes, when you choose the various Options in it
using its WYSIWYG features.

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

Will do

That way, you will soon be able to see what's causing the probs,
when you come up against any probs (which you will do) & you will
be able to get it sorted out a lot easier.

BTW - Even though you put all those (8)
LineBreak Tags in the
Web Page, (in an attempt to bring the Picture down a bit, to make it
show in the middle of the Page, I presume?) you have to remember that
other people will have different Size Browser Windows & different Size
(& Resolutions) of Screen, so using LineBreaks for Position *won't*
Position it as you expected.intended & *they* won't see it in the same
Position as you did.

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

I know, I have a lot to learn and haven't a clue when it comes to HTML
language.

For example, I saw it with (about) a 2 Inch Gap above the Pic (which
was about 2 Inches in Size) & then a huge great big 7 or 8 Inch Gap
below it - It *wasn't* centered (Vertically), cos of those
Tags,
but it *was* nicely centered Horizontally, cos of the "style" thing
that you specified.

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

Indeed it does, Thank you

Aries...

CHEAT LOL

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

Me !!! Never :))

Aries...

but congrats on getting your website up and running - fantastico ;)

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

Thanks Val, thought it was about time, only had it about 3 years lol.

Parrotfish...

By heck........ you're a good looking bloke !

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

LOL !!!

although I wouldn't say its "running" exactly, not yet any way.
Still a lot to learn :(

Aries...

There'll be no stopping you now :D

Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +...

How long have you been a member of the Ku Klux Klan then ? :)

$irVivor & =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7ire=DFird?=...

The Knights of Knotty Knoll maybe but not that :))

http://www.terry-ponsford.co.uk/docs/Terry